My point is I feel Psykout Grenades are covered by Botherhood of Psykers second bullet. Which means its effect is forced on a single model.
Here is a response I made to someone who was trying to prove me wrong and I respect him for it. But I’m posting it because it pretty much sums up my point. And I realized after typing it up “hey I should put that on flappy arms blog”.Alright so psykout grenades do not affect an entire unit; it affects all psykers in a unit(s) that is assaulted. Here is something that targets psykers and does something to them.
Cruicble of malediction affects all psykers in 3d6 and causes them to be removed from play if they fail a leadership test. Here is something that targets psykers and does something to them.
Mindstirke missile affects all psykers under the blast template forcing a perils. Here is something that targets psykers and does something to them.
Condemnor bolt guns cause any model that is hit to take perils. Here is something that targets psykers and does something to them.
Lets ignore the last two because they in fact cause perils and are covered under the first part of brotherhood of psykers. I do want to point out though that missiles target all psykers under a template causing multiple perils and is still regressed to causing a single perils to a single model. This is a set condition of effect.
Now the first two is where I think we should focus on. Crucible of malediction causes all psykers in a set condition to be effected. It is neither a shooting nor a melee attack that requires a to hit roll or a to wound roll, and perils is never brought up. Yet this has been faqd by GW to still be covered under brotherhood of psykers. This can only mean that GW sees it as an attack that targets psykers, otherwise brotherhood would not affect it….. Alternatively gw could just be blowing stuff out their behind….. you never really can tell.
You do in fact treat the whole unit as a single Psyker. A grey knight squad effected by a crucible still only loses the Justicar (or random unfortunate dude if Justicar dead) if they fail a leadership test. This is not an interpretation though this is what GW says happens.
This invalidates your statement “This means that anything that affects a psyker will affect the whole unit (ie psykout grenades)”, because this is in fact is something that affects a psyker and doesn’t affect the whole unit and makes them explode. It is just redirected to the unfortunate focal dude.
(Note: This was a direct response to something someone else posted.)
Psykout grenades cause all psykers in a set condition to be int 1. It is neither a shooting nor a melee attack that requires a to hit roll or a to wound roll, and perils is never brought up.
People keep saying well you’re not throwing the grenade or anything; it’s not a weapon, and derp derp derp. Crucible is not a being thrown either, it’s just being opened like the Ark of the Covenant. There is this misconception that in order for something to be an attack it has to be a gun or sword that is rolling to hit. But in the end what they are doesn’t matter; it’s how they are used. And all these things attack other models by the very definition of the word. A key word not specifically described in the BRB.
So to me pskout grenades falls under the same results as crucible. If someone could prove to me that an attack has to be something with weapon profile then yes I would say psykout grenades do affect the whole unit and also crucible would be hilarious.
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